Vegas in the place where I have seen the most cases of guys being bamboozled in the strip club. Therefore my advice is, bring cash only and PAY ATTENTION! Don't get so shit faced that you don't know what you are doing and think that all the dancers will be nice like me and not take total advantage of the situation. Why anybody over 21 wants to be totally shit faced out on public is a mystery to me. That just looks BAD and ugly, now you know. I saw a middle aged man vomit all over the carpeted floor and the stage a few weeks ago, DISGUSTING.
Not OK unless you have acute food poisoning. Or you contracted Ebola or something.
Learn the price of a lap dance in the club. Unfortunately some clubs have those thirsty piranhas lurking in them that will swarm you as soon as you enter the club. I'm not thirsty, desperate or bad looking so I don't have to resort to those embarrassing practices. What I did notice in the last club I worked at in Vegas was just that, guys getting attacked as soon as they got their drinks, then forcefully pulled away. Some of them had enough sense in them to say no. The dancers reminded me of hungry piranhas. So that is what I now call desperate strippers - piranhas. Also the scams that go on. You get one lap dance. You would think that the dancer would ask you if you want another one when the next song starts, right? Wrong! Some piranhas just continue and then after some time when the drunk guys wakes up from the boobs and ass is his face trance and realizes that some time has gone by....he owes for five or ten dances. TAAAADAAAA!
Then there is the VIP room scam and that is where the big money gets bamboozled.
I'm talking about $ 1000 and up. It is one thing if the guy knows how much he is about to spend and agrees to it and a whole other thing if he gets taken for a ride. I saw a sad looking kid in the club in Vegas, I knew that he just came out of the VIP with two big time thirsty hustlers. I asked him if everything was OK. He ended up telling me that he was from Nebraska, 23, first time in Vegas, first time in a strip club and that whole adventure had cost him $ 3000 and he had to put it on the company credit card and didn't know how he was going to explain this "fun" to the boss and let alone pay for it. I walked up to the manager and said, "The guys are getting bamboozled in this club." He didn't say anything, he just looked away. I saw this scenario at least once a night, one or two girls at the cashier, pushing/telling a drunk sometimes inebriated guy that he must sign the credit card slip. The guy, looking bewildered/surprised/sometimes angry/resigned. You think you will get repeat and happy customers like this? Let me answer that question for you - HELL NO!
Look, I know that us dancers have to pay high stage fees (in some clubs), that we all want to make good money, preferably every time we step our high heeled foot on that stage to start our shift for that night. BUT COME ON NOW! Regardless of where I am, I TRY to treat people the way I want to be treated. And sometimes I just completely ignore the people I don't want to bother with. Would I want somebody to scam me out of money? Absolutely not. I went through a really bad real estate deal twice.....because I was very naive and trusted that the people I was dealing with only had good intentions. Well, little did I know! LOL! Welcome to capitalism, predatory loans and America! I survived and learned but that whole ordeal left a very bad taste in my mouth. So fuck you predatory lenders and the real estate agents that work with them, your time will come!
You can always refuse to pay if you feel bamboozled, that is my advice. Call the cops right then and there, sure it might be a bit embarrassing but would you rather pay $3000 if you honestly can say that you were being conned? You can maybe call the Better Business Bureau, file a complaint somewhere or tell the credit card company that you refuse to pay. After so many filed complaints, things will get noticed and investigated.
At Crazy Horse Too back in the day they had a few cases of guys refusing to pay, they got taken out back and dealt with Goodfellas style. Not cool. The club had a few high profile lawsuits because of this.
Even if some and other nights many, of the guys I encounter are total BASIC jerks and "gregs", I never rip anyone off. Trust me, sometimes I think that a greg deserves what's coming to him.....rip his asshole apart piranhas! I have a few times dealt with that guy that thinks he is fucking funny, agrees to a dance and then refuses to pay. Really?! Usually the sight of the bouncer will make him fork over the cash real quick or me threatening to donkey kick his small balls way up into his small intestine. I also once had a guy thinking a dance was $15 when it was $50......he didn't have the money on him or an ATM card. Well, my loss I thought.....oh well. He left and came back a little later with the money.
So, for the guys out there trying to scam dancers and refuse to pay when you really DO owe the money.....DON'T. Just don't. Do you dine at a restaurant and then refuse to pay for the meal you just enjoyed? Do you leave your car for repairs and drive away without settling the bill? Probably not, so the same goes for a strip club. It is a place of business. I am in there working and I actually pay the club for the pleasure of working there. And for the dancers doing it, well I think it is managements job to put an end to it. If I was managing a club I would want happy and repeat customers. The day I have to resort to being a hungry piranha I will know that the time has come for me to stop dancing.
A bit off topic bit still concerning working as a dancer.....especially in Vegas. The threat of Metro coming in undercover and citing you for things that sometimes make no sense and that are completely OK one evening but then not OK when Metro is spying in the club.
You can get charged with prostitution for giving a "bad" lap dance even if there was NO sex whatsoever involved. Kind of crazy. Fun to have prostitution on your record, especially if you didn't engage in it. They should charge the guy too getting that "bad" lap dance with being a John to make it fair. In Sweden it is illegal to buy sex but not illegal to sell sex. They are trying a different approach there to curb the demand for prostitution. Pimping is illegal too in Sweden. Good! I hate pimps, they are such low lives, all of them should rot in jail.
And then....there is this. Some doctor is refusing to pay his rather steep bill after enjoying himself at Scores NYC. Like I said earlier in this entry.....bring cash. Whether the doctor is guilty and should pay or was drugged as he claimed, I don't know.....that is up to a judge and jury to decide I guess.
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Mandy on :
I hate those piranhas!! That's how they were in Houston. The guys who were there to get an STD knew they found the right girl, but those that didn't dodged them. I made money off customers coming up to me. It might be a strip club but many don't want it so easy.
In Vegas do they ask for a thumb print for credit card transactions? At Ricks they were ridiculous about that because so many guys disputed the charge, don't blame them half the time. Karma's a bitch, taking advantage of someone always comes back to you.
Bamboozled....hahaha
TATIANA Post author on :
Yes, at that club in Vegas they did the thumb print thing too....
adrianna on :
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TATIANA Post author on :
And yes when Metro/Vice would be in the club and us dancers heard about it, we would either wait in the dressing room or not engage in a any lap dances. Because Metro were known for sometimes writing tickets to girls sitting on a guys lap - talking. Or handing out tickets for prostitution to girls that were only "joking" around about it.
I did hear about some girls getting prostitution charges for doing inappropriate lap dances, maybe that got thrown out of court in the end. I don't know.
What I do find ironic in this is that there were plenty of girls in the Vegas clubs doing stuff in the club and outside and they never got in trouble for it, management were aware of this (in most cases). What a girl does outside of the club is none of my business, I really don't care. But when they do things in the club that we are not supposed to do, then I do have a problem with it. I have written a lot about that and more is coming shortly. Does a BJ count as prostitution? Or the promise of one if you go in the VIP?
But yes, you are most likely right in the different tickets for prostitution and violating the erotic dance code. Although like I said, I am pretty sure that some girls were charged (initially) with prostitution by doing a "bad" lap dance. The outcome of that in the end? I have no clue. I am not familiar with courts or the law much I have to admit.
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TATIANA Post author on :
First of all, my blog is NOT a legal advice forum for dancers, neither have I ever claimed it to be. It's a BLOG, legal advice should be sought at the appropriate place....therefore - BETTER CALL SAUL!
You Adrianna, seem to know a lot about this issue. Did you not mention in a previous comment that you worked at The Rhino for 11 years? I don't know when you did that 11 year stretch there but I DO know that The Rhino has friction lap dances, yes focused on the crotch area of the person receiving the dance.....as do most Vegas clubs. MOST I'm saying since I have not been to ALL Vegas clubs and from what I have witnessed.....OK.
What I have also witnessed at The Rhino and other Vegas clubs is lots of boob grabbing on the floor, for sure some girls let guys suck on their boobs and I can just imagine some of the other activities that go on.
I know of girls that are so over getting constantly groped by the guys that visit The Rhino that they need to take long breaks to recover mentally.
You can search in my blog about what kind of lap dancing I think is OK and how I handle things....if you are curious.
And the "top club" you danced at in Vegas, the club that was "first of it's kind" but you don't want to mention by name, the way I interpret it...the only club I can think of in Vegas that was and still is a first of it's kind is The Palomino because they are allowed to go nude on stage and alcohol is served in the club, plus it's been around since the 60's so for sure it's one of the first. Or some other Vegas club that opened long before I was born. The Rhino is not a one of a kind club, it's just another topless club in Vegas. I do know that back in the day they did after hours there, aka The Rhino had a night club atmosphere after a certain time in the early AM hours and people would pop E in there and listen to EDM. Plus enjoy high friction lap dances at the same time.
I have also worked in clubs where asking a guy to buy you A DRINK is looked as solicitation.
Then you mention "whether its a BJ, HJ, Sex, or other sexual act done in exchange for money/drugs/a gold ring - it is prostitution." What I have to say to that is.....then legally LOTS of women/girls prostitute themselves on an everyday basis whether it's in a strip club or not. Women sleep with guys to get that ring, or after the guy buys them dinner and a movie, after some drinks at the bar, for financial security = marriage in many, many cases. Parents sell their daughters for some livestock or whatever bride price they agree on.
Prostitution is all over the place then.
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TATIANA Post author on :
No, I am not familiar with the erotic dance code in detail....even though I danced in Vegas, sorry or actually I'm not sorry at all. But I am glad that you are, GOOD for you! Awesome. You should get a gold star for that. I even said it in a previous comment, "I am not familiar with courts or the law much I have to admit." So maybe YOU should follow your own advice and read the comment one more time, slowly.
But yes, I do agree with you - it is a good thing for Vegas dancers to be somewhat familiar with the erotic dance code. But it seems to be omitted A LOT. How strange.
Also, thanks for filling me in on your breast implant history.....wow. And you "friendship", WINK WINK, with one of the NIGHT shift managers at The Rhino that let you work without your Sheriff's Card (as I understand it). Do you have anything to say about the possible legal problems you could had gotten yourself involved in if you would had been busted for working at The Rhino without your Sheriff's Card?
Like I said, this is not a forum with legal advice for dancers....you seem to have plenty of knowledge about that....maybe you should start one, or your own blog.
Also your reference, "I know not all strippers are stupid creatures content to know nothing about their history."
I sense that you are implying that I am stupid for not being familiar in detail with this code aka "stripper history" you keep on talking about. I don't need to prove my intelligence or whether I am stupid or not, (according to you)....to you, OK.
You are clearly way too overqualified to waste your time and expertise here in the comment section on my blog.
Thank you for all your input so far.....very....eeeh...impressive....
Mandy on :
So like Tatiana's blog here says, your best bet is to get out of dodge when the police show up.
TATIANA Post author on :
Not to mention the whole system making money from arresting/fining/prosecuting/public defending/hiring expensive attorney/corruption etc etc that might.....MIGHT be in place when charging people for a plethora of things the way THEY (the system) see it fit.
This is not Sweden, this is America.....based on capitalism....prevalent even in the fair and square legal system.
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TATIANA Post author on :
Offended? Not really. I know myself.
I also know that you will keep reading.....so enjoy!